Class Exercise: How Justifiable Is Violence?


Appendix

Another way to see the results, Spring 2025 (n = 34)

2 thoughts on “Class Exercise: How Justifiable Is Violence?

  1. Dear Patrick,

    As usual, thanks for a thought-provoking article. And as usual, I have some comments that don’t provide a ‘solution’ to a problem but widen our understanding of the problem within human society. (I am, after all, an anthropologist and motivated towards understanding Man, not changing Man.)

    I would add a couple more scenarios to the list of practical situations you give.

    The ‘socially sanctioned’, e.g. normal, violence committed with the tacit agreement of the ‘victim’. This is often linked to specific social norms which define a society and a member’s place in that society. Example: circumcision (male or female). This remains a norm within both Judaic and Islamic societies (I use ‘society’ rather than ‘religion’). My personal experience is witnessing the circumcision of 11-year old boys in Malay society. Malay uses the same term (masok Melayu) for both becoming Malay and becoming Muslim. Circumcision is delayed until around age 11 so that a boy is fully aware of it (and the temporary pain accompanying it). It is usually conducted in public, in a quasi-part atmosphere, with an invited audience including relatives and village neighbours and, if within that part of Malay identity based on matrilineal exogamous clan, with clan representatives. To refuse would be to refuse membership of the social group: it is a social obligation not a choice. But slicing off a foreskin (today with a surgically cleansed scalpel rather than a sharpened bamboo) is violence. It is agreed by the boy as a rite of passage — he stops being a child and becomes a man and is accepted as such by his society. Is such institutionalised violence justified? What if the rite of passage requires cutting off a finger? Or crushing one testicle with a rock? Or driving a rod through the penis and installing a penis pin?

    My second example is taken from my elder brother’s experience when called up for national service. He did not want to go and pleaded pacifism: he would be not use in the army because he couldn’t kill and believed killing a human is wrong. He was examined. Not using physical violence but using similar questions to those you pose. Q. What would you do if somebody gratuitously hit you? Answer: turn the other cheek. Q. What would you do if you came home and found a man raping your mother or sister or wife? Answer: try to stop him anyway I could. Result: in he went.

    • Hi Robert,

      Your comments always make me think and are warmly welcomed here.

      You raise a good point about types of violence that are socially sanctioned, like rites of passage. I’ve seen definitions of violence and aggression that try to account for the motivations of the person on the receiving end of violence. For example, a person may “want” to endure the pain if there is a reward on the other side. Then again, I could imagine that they have little choice. Perhaps if given the option, they’d take the reward without the pain.

      As for you brother, I think he gave a very reasonable answer, but the question was a trap. Joining a war is such a different scenario than defending a loved one in immediate need. I’m sure the interviewers knew it was a trap. And they probably didn’t care.

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